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Permanent Resident Accompanying Spouse and Cdn Son 

Aymen
Aymen
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Posted On: 2/9/2019
Aymen
Aymen
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Hello every one
I have recently obtained my PR via Family class sponsorship

But i have to go back for a period of time .

Can i count The Days our side Canada as a physical presence when accompanying my spouse and my Canadian son ?

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Posted On: 2/15/2019
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Hello,

Thank you for sharing your situation and question with us.

We can appreciate that you would be interested in this type of information.

You can find some detailed information in the Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada Operational Manual ENF 23 - Loss of Permanent Resident Status.

According to the
Operational Manual ENF 23 - Loss of Permanent Resident Status,

"7.5. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada

R61(4) provides that each day a permanent resident is outside Canada accompanying (that is,ordinarily residing with) a Canadian citizen constitutes a day of physical presence in Canada,provided that the Canadian citizen they are accompanying is a spouse or common-law partner or parent. In the case of a permanent resident outside Canada accompanying a Canadian citizen, it is not necessary to determine who is accompanying whom, nor is it necessary to determine for what purpose. In other words, under A28(2)(a)(ii) and R61(4), as long as a permanent resident is accompanying a Canadian citizen, the intent and purpose of their absences are not relevant as the residency obligation is met."

So from the situation described, each day a permanent resident is accompanying a Canadian citizen spouse or common-law partner outside Canada, constitutes a day of physical presence in Canada for their permanent residence requirement. Unfortunately, it does not apply to a Canadian citizen child accompanying you.


In regards to Residency requirements for permanent residents you might find useful resources in our Settlement.Org What are the residency requirements for permanent residents (PRs)? article.


Here is an excerpt,


As a permanent resident, you may travel outside Canada after you arrive. However, you must meet certain residency obligations to maintain your status as a permanent resident.


To meet these residency obligations, you must be physically present in Canada for at least 730 days (2 years) in every 5-year period. The 5-year period is assessed on a rolling basis. Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) will look back at your time in Canada over the previous 5 years.

This means that you can spend a total of up to 3 years outside of Canada during a 5-year period. However, if you have been a permanent resident for less than 5 years and decide to leave the country for an extended period of time, it is up to you to prove to IRCC that you will be able to meet your residency requirements.


I hope this information is helpful. Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
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Anna
Settlement.Org Content and Information/Referral Specialist, CIRS,CRS
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Aymen
Aymen
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Posted On: 2/16/2019
Aymen
Aymen
Posts: 3
Very Good
but in the CIC they say
can count time spent outside Canada toward the physical presence requirement for citizenship if you:
  • were a permanent resident employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory
  • lived outside Canada with your Canadian spouse or common-law partner or permanent resident spouse, common-law partner, or parent who was employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory


Moderator wrote:
Hello,
Thank you for sharing your situation and question with us.

We can appreciate that you would be interested in this type of information.

You can find some detailed information in the Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada Operational Manual ENF 23 - Loss of Permanent Resident Status.

According to the
Operational Manual ENF 23 - Loss of Permanent Resident Status,

"7.5. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada

R61(4) provides that each day a permanent resident is outside Canada accompanying (that is,ordinarily residing with) a Canadian citizen constitutes a day of physical presence in Canada,provided that the Canadian citizen they are accompanying is a spouse or common-law partner or parent. In the case of a permanent resident outside Canada accompanying a Canadian citizen, it is not necessary to determine who is accompanying whom, nor is it necessary to determine for what purpose. In other words, under A28(2)(a)(ii) and R61(4), as long as a permanent resident is accompanying a Canadian citizen, the intent and purpose of their absences are not relevant as the residency obligation is met."

So from the situation described, each day a permanent resident is accompanying a Canadian citizen spouse or common-law partner outside Canada, constitutes a day of physical presence in Canada for their permanent residence requirement. Unfortunately, it does not apply to a Canadian citizen child accompanying you.


In regards to Residency requirements for permanent residents you might find useful resources in our Settlement.Org What are the residency requirements for permanent residents (PRs)? article.


Here is an excerpt,


As a permanent resident, you may travel outside Canada after you arrive. However, you must meet certain residency obligations to maintain your status as a permanent resident.


To meet these residency obligations, you must be physically present in Canada for at least 730 days (2 years) in every 5-year period. The 5-year period is assessed on a rolling basis. Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) will look back at your time in Canada over the previous 5 years.

This means that you can spend a total of up to 3 years outside of Canada during a 5-year period. However, if you have been a permanent resident for less than 5 years and decide to leave the country for an extended period of time, it is up to you to prove to IRCC that you will be able to meet your residency requirements.


I hope this information is helpful. Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
=====
Anna
Settlement.Org Content and Information/Referral Specialist, CIRS,CRS
Settlement.Org
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Posted On: 2/17/2019
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Aymen wrote:
Very Good
but in the CIC they say
can count time spent outside Canada toward the physical presence requirement for citizenship if you:
  • were a permanent resident employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory
  • lived outside Canada with your Canadian spouse or common-law partner or permanent resident spouse, common-law partner, or parent who was employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory




Hello,

Thank you for sharing this additional question with us.

Do any of the above circumstances apply to your situation?

Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
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Anna
Settlement.Org Content and Information/Referral Specialist, CIRS,CRS
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Aymen
Aymen
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Posted On: 2/18/2019
Aymen
Aymen
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I am only A permanent resident but my Canadian wife doesn't work at all .
Moderator wrote:
Aymen wrote:
Very Good
but in the CIC they say
can count time spent outside Canada toward the physical presence requirement for citizenship if you:
  • were a permanent resident employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory
  • lived outside Canada with your Canadian spouse or common-law partner or permanent resident spouse, common-law partner, or parent who was employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory




Hello,

Thank you for sharing this additional question with us.

Do any of the above circumstances apply to your situation?

Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
=====
Anna
Settlement.Org Content and Information/Referral Specialist, CIRS,CRS
Settlement.Org
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PMM
PMM
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Posted On: 2/18/2019
PMM
PMM
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Hi


Moderator wrote:
Aymen wrote:
Very Good
but in the CIC they say
can count time spent outside Canada toward the physical presence requirement for citizenship if you:
  • were a permanent resident employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory
  • lived outside Canada with your Canadian spouse or common-law partner or permanent resident spouse, common-law partner, or parent who was employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory




Hello,

Thank you for sharing this additional question with us.

Do any of the above circumstances apply to your situation?

Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
=====
Anna
Settlement.Org Content and Information/Referral Specialist, CIRS,CRS
Settlement.Org




1. The OP should note that CBSA, and IAD have lately been looking closely at who is actually accompanying who abroad. Especially where the new Immigrant "lands" and returns immediately with their Canadian spouse to resume work abroad.
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Posted On: 3/5/2019
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Aymen wrote:
I am only A permanent resident but my Canadian wife doesn't work at all .
Moderator wrote:
Aymen wrote:
Very Good
but in the CIC they say
can count time spent outside Canada toward the physical presence requirement for citizenship if you:
  • were a permanent resident employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory
  • lived outside Canada with your Canadian spouse or common-law partner or permanent resident spouse, common-law partner, or parent who was employed in or with the:
    • Canadian Armed Forces
    • federal public administration
    • public service of a province or territory




Hello,

Thank you for sharing this additional question with us.

Do any of the above circumstances apply to your situation?

Please let us know if you have further questions and if there is any follow up to your question/situation.
=====
Anna
Settlement.Org Content and Information/Referral Specialist, CIRS,CRS
Settlement.Org


Hello,

According to the Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) website,

Time spent outside Canada does not count towards the physical presence requirement except in certain circumstances.

You can count time spent outside Canada toward the physical presence requirement for citizenship if you:
  • Were a permanent resident employed in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, federal public administration, or public service of a province or territory; or
  • Resided outside Canada with your:
    • Canadian spouse or common-law partner, or
    • permanent resident spouse, common-law partner, or parent
    who was employed in or with the Canadian Armed Forces, federal public administration, or public service of a province or territory.
Employment as a locally engaged person is not included.
Only time after becoming a permanent resident counts towards the physical presence requirement.
Residence with a common-law partner can be calculated from the time the common-law relationship began.

Use the online physical presence calculator. Complete and submit the CIT 0177 Residence Outside Canada form when you apply. Citizenship and Immigration Canada will decide whether the time you lived outside Canada is eligible to be counted.


These are the only circumstances by which it would apply in relation to citizenship.


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Anna
Settlement.Org Content and Information/Referral Specialist, CIRS,CRS
Settlement.Org
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